USB 3.1 expected with Windows 10

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  1. sharpuser

    sharpuser Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Now if they just include a USB 3.1 port in the SP4 we will have something real. :)
     
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    This morning I saw a piece on a new HP tablet that is available today from HP and on Mar 15 from Best Buy that has USB 4.0.

    Why are Microsoft products always behind the curve?
     
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    USB 4.0 doesn't exist but I guess its good marketing... to claim you've got something nobody else has... until the truth comes out. What was to be USB 4.0 is now USB 3.1, go figure.
    HP is behind the times and not by a small amount this standard was published in 2013.
     
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    Very Interesting ... well I haven't bought a HP product in many years so I haven't kept up with them. Was just going by the ad I saw this morning for their laptop.
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    I'm not surprised about HP. My boss bought 3 HP laptops because the price was cheap. The users that got them hated them & I (provide service & support) didn't like them either. They've all been recycled out after 3 years use.
     
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    It seems there's a fad/trend (deceitful marketing practice) emerging of claiming USB 3.1 support and in the fine print stating USB 3.1 gen 1 which is exactly the same as USB 3.0 i.e. the same 5gbps transfer rate as USB 3.0 instead of the 10 gbps transfer rate of *real* USB 3.1.

    I'm not sure this is even allowed by the USB Standards Organization and if it is, it shouldn't be. AFAIK USB 3.1 gen 1 is a mode of USB 3.1 for backwards compatibility with USB 3.0 and wasn't meant to be a Public Marketing thing to confuse consumers. To me if you only support 5gbps then the label and marketing should say USB 3.0 if you support 10 gbps then and only the. Should you be allowed to use the USB 3.1 label and marketing.

    The inclusion of a Type C connecter is separate from USB 3.1 and can be used on any USB port as well as a Type A or B connector can be used on USB 3.1 and Id assume that could be true with mini or micro ISB connectors as well.

    I hope the standards body steps in and smacks these guys early and hard and tightens the rules if there was previously some ambiguity in using the terms.
     
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    Quote from that article...
    "It is worth noting is that the Type-C connector can be built into devices that don’t yet support USB 3.1. For example, this means that low- and mid-range phones can adopt the new connector without actually having to support the new USB standard."
    And the converse is also true.
    Here's some examples http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/USB_31_TYPEA_CARD/
    http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Z97AUSB_31/overview/
    http://www.tomshardware.com/news/asrock-motherboard-usb-3.1-type-c,28571.html

    Bottom line is USB 3.1, USB Type-C, and the USB Power 2.0 spec, allowing up to 100W of power, are separate specifications. Yes they are designed to work together and fully support all the capabilities but technically you could implement them separately. Which brings me back to 10 gbps 3.1 if its not that, it's nothing. Although there's a fair amount of confusion about these and a number of articles published have issued corrections for misstatements and inaccuracies which might imply the USB community needs to do some communications and or cleanup with their constituents before things get out of hand.
     
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